It's
scarlettina's fault.
Yes it is. Don't deny.
Probably a month ago,
scarlettina posted something about TAPS; The Atlantic Paranormal Society, and her feelings towards their sister T.V. show TAPS International.
So over the last 3 weeks I have been up late, catching up on ALL the episodes of TAPS (but not TAPS Intl, like scarlettina the cast/crew of the sister show just doesn't jive for me). I have been researching the researchers, debunking the debunkers, and having a jolly good time at 3 a.m. hyper-caffeinated and watching paranormal shows.
Here are a few of my thoughts on TAPS and some of the other shows I discovered along the way. Before I get too far in let me give the disclaimer that I am an open skeptic. What I mean by this is that I WOULD LOVE to have a documented paranormal experience. I can't personally say that I have had one. I'm open to it. But at the same time I have to experience it first hand and be able to obtain irrefutible evidence as to the occurence.
It's just how I roll.
(There's a really cool thermal capture at about 3:15)
I like the the crew of TAPS. They are pretty down to earth, blue collar guys (and gals). They walk into an investigation with the attitude of wanting to debunk reported paranormal activity. It is overall, from the shows I've watch the closest thing to a 'scientific' investigation of paranormal activity.
There are plenty of early episodes where they have nothing to report back to the client, and even a couple of episodes where they were being set-up or their equipment had been tampered with...and they caught it (whether this was for ratings/believability *shrug* it's television, it's a business too...)
My issue with TAPS (and the same issue I have with other paranormal investigation teams) is a lot of the assumptions that are used about spirit or ghostly manifestations:
1) they are 'energy'
1a) this 'energy' can be detected by measuring magnetic residuals or EMF meters
2) when they attempt to manifest it creates an endothermic environment --- even an energy endothermic environment
3) the humanocentric viewpoint that we are capable of interacting with; capable of banishing; or even interesting to the restless dead
4) EMF/ Fear Cage theory: High EMF (Electromagnetic Fields) are conducive to paranormal activity and exposure to High EMFs (>2mG (milli-Gauss)) can create feelings of paranoia, panick etc.
A few words about the scientific community's response to high EMF beneath the cut:
Within the past several years, several evaluations of scientific studies of the possible health effects of electric and magnetic fields have been released. In 1996, the National Research Council, a group formed to advise the federal government on science, technology, and health policy, following a review of the available scientific evidence, concluded that “the current body of evidence does not show that exposure to these fields presents a human-health hazard.” Similarly, the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), an
arm of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, following a six year study, reported to Congress in 1999 that the “scientific evidence suggesting that ELF-EMF exposures poses any health risk is weak.” According to the NIEHS report, although the epidemiological studies demonstrate, for some methods of measuring exposure, “a fairly consistent pattern of a small, increased risk” for certain cancers, there is no consistent pattern of adverse health effects in the animal or cellular studies of exposure to electric and magnetic fields. In 2001, the U.K. National Radiation Protection Board issued a report on studies of exposure to magnetic fields and reached the following conclusion: “Laboratory experiments have provided no good evidence that extremely low frequency electromagnetic fields are capable of producing cancer, nor do human epidemiological studies suggest that they cause cancer in general. There is, however, some epidemiological evidence that prolonged exposure to higher levels of power frequency magnetic fields is associated with a small risk of leukemia in children. In
practice, such levels of exposure are seldom encountered by the general public in the U.K. In the absence of clear evidence of a carcinogenic effect in adults, or of a plausible explanation from experiments on animals or isolated cells, the epidemiological evidence is currently not strong enough to justify a firm conclusion that such fields cause leukemia in children.”
There is also this abstract (PDF WARNING) published in '02 by the Australian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine. Again, no correspondence noted in this study.
The equipment and science of ghost hunting is built very heavily around magnetic fields and equipment which detects magnetic flux. I'm still wondering where all these free-floating charged particles are coming from and even if there are plenty in an open space... do you know the amount of energy it would take to bind these charged particles into an intelligent moving apparition?
A lot.
The use of EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomenon) and EVP recording devices is something I have to remain skeptical about as well. Granted, there are some pretty scary-tastic EVP recording available, given the science and foundation of ghost manifestations, the energy required for an entity of any kind to manfiest and manipulate physical particles to create the mechanical wave (known as SOUND) ... would probably fry the equipment in question.
The second issue I have with EVPs is that it's the equivalent of doing ink-blot tests for the ears. Pareidolia anyone? We're hardwired to look for familiarity and order in the abstract. It's part of what makes us human.
Now, there were episodes I found with video evidence that if it were true and unable to be debunked would be very true. As a hardnose I can't stake a claim unless I was actually there to witness or review the evidence with COMPLETE understanding of all conditions involved.
The second show I found was the Penn State Paranormal Research Society or simply, PRS.
I had a hard time liking PRS initially. I found it to be presented as generally 'fluffy.'
Here's an opening episodes of Paranormal State (PRS):
PRS initially rubbed me wrong for the following reasons:
1) The apparent lack of debunking
2) **The reliance on psychics and mediums (and demonologists) as consultants
3) The Christian invocations
The use of the word demon and the Chistian-centered attitude is what torqued me most. It makes an assumption that the afterlife is indeed based on a Christian based architecture and that Christians were somehow entitled to affect the dark and malevolent denizens of the underworld.
** 2) bothers me for the same reason that the paranormal investigation bothers me. I haven't met one that has just.knocked.my.socks.off. The day I meet a psychic that can cold read me to the floor I'll drink that kool-aid. Until then, I remain openly skeptic.
**Also, any time anything involves Lorraine Warren I immediately throw up the caution-flag.
There were things I did like about Paranormal State:
1) A 3 day investigation
2) The use of counselors and psychologists as consultants (though I wished they would have explained their departure from counseling about their paranormal experience to needing to move to DSMV-IV criteria for Paranoid/Schizophrenia)
3) An extreme sense of caring from the investigators about the clients' emotional states and well-being. The Leader of PRS really does give a damn.
I realized that this show was a three day investigation that had been edited down to about 35 minutes and hyped up by A&E. I wanted to give Paranormal State another chance.
I went a little further and read the blog of both Ryan Buell, the leader of PRS and the abandoned blog of psychic/medium Chip Coffey.
Ryan has a lot going for him. I hope the field of paranormal investigation doesn't burn him out and he can do a lot of good in the realm of codifying the ethical and technical practice of paranormal investigation.
Chip Coffey? Again, my vote isn't in yet on psychics/mediums, but I think everyone needs a Chip Coffey in their lives. I think he like Ryan, genuinely cares about people and their well-being. According to Ryan Buell's blog Coffey is a psychologist first, and psychic/medium second. The investigation is the primary focus.
Lastly, I found Psychic Kids. Another A&E produced show surrounding psychic children and issues families face with psychically gifted children. It's one part ghost hunter type show, one part psychic medium phenomenon show.
I have volumes of issues with this show. The primary issue I have is that in most of the cases presented the parents also believed that either during childhood or even now that they were empathic or sensatives. I don't think the nature of living vicariously or projecting was discussed. This is the inherent flaw in having believers investigate psychic or the paranorm without a check or balance.
As an example, the mother of the young girl (Morgan) in the presented episode above is also the founder of Indigrow. No doubt she's familiar with this.
The second problem was with cases presented was addressing whether or not the (usually) pre-teen or teen was experiencing asocial or social integration problems. Being a teenager is hard. Being a teenager whose mother/father is pushing you to become more unique and moar speshuler is even tougher. I do speak from experience here--- I may talk about this experience in a locked post later.
I hope I don't offend anyone. As I said, I consider myself an open skeptic.
I want to believe..
I'm not quite ready to drop everything and invest in a thermal imager, digital recorder and a SONY HI8...but then again, I am a man with an infinite amount of time on my hands.
The speaker will now relinquish the floor... your thoughts are truly welcome.
Yes it is. Don't deny.
Probably a month ago,
So over the last 3 weeks I have been up late, catching up on ALL the episodes of TAPS (but not TAPS Intl, like scarlettina the cast/crew of the sister show just doesn't jive for me). I have been researching the researchers, debunking the debunkers, and having a jolly good time at 3 a.m. hyper-caffeinated and watching paranormal shows.
Here are a few of my thoughts on TAPS and some of the other shows I discovered along the way. Before I get too far in let me give the disclaimer that I am an open skeptic. What I mean by this is that I WOULD LOVE to have a documented paranormal experience. I can't personally say that I have had one. I'm open to it. But at the same time I have to experience it first hand and be able to obtain irrefutible evidence as to the occurence.
It's just how I roll.
(There's a really cool thermal capture at about 3:15)
I like the the crew of TAPS. They are pretty down to earth, blue collar guys (and gals). They walk into an investigation with the attitude of wanting to debunk reported paranormal activity. It is overall, from the shows I've watch the closest thing to a 'scientific' investigation of paranormal activity.
There are plenty of early episodes where they have nothing to report back to the client, and even a couple of episodes where they were being set-up or their equipment had been tampered with...and they caught it (whether this was for ratings/believability *shrug* it's television, it's a business too...)
My issue with TAPS (and the same issue I have with other paranormal investigation teams) is a lot of the assumptions that are used about spirit or ghostly manifestations:
1) they are 'energy'
1a) this 'energy' can be detected by measuring magnetic residuals or EMF meters
2) when they attempt to manifest it creates an endothermic environment --- even an energy endothermic environment
3) the humanocentric viewpoint that we are capable of interacting with; capable of banishing; or even interesting to the restless dead
4) EMF/ Fear Cage theory: High EMF (Electromagnetic Fields) are conducive to paranormal activity and exposure to High EMFs (>2mG (milli-Gauss)) can create feelings of paranoia, panick etc.
A few words about the scientific community's response to high EMF beneath the cut:
Within the past several years, several evaluations of scientific studies of the possible health effects of electric and magnetic fields have been released. In 1996, the National Research Council, a group formed to advise the federal government on science, technology, and health policy, following a review of the available scientific evidence, concluded that “the current body of evidence does not show that exposure to these fields presents a human-health hazard.” Similarly, the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), an
arm of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, following a six year study, reported to Congress in 1999 that the “scientific evidence suggesting that ELF-EMF exposures poses any health risk is weak.” According to the NIEHS report, although the epidemiological studies demonstrate, for some methods of measuring exposure, “a fairly consistent pattern of a small, increased risk” for certain cancers, there is no consistent pattern of adverse health effects in the animal or cellular studies of exposure to electric and magnetic fields. In 2001, the U.K. National Radiation Protection Board issued a report on studies of exposure to magnetic fields and reached the following conclusion: “Laboratory experiments have provided no good evidence that extremely low frequency electromagnetic fields are capable of producing cancer, nor do human epidemiological studies suggest that they cause cancer in general. There is, however, some epidemiological evidence that prolonged exposure to higher levels of power frequency magnetic fields is associated with a small risk of leukemia in children. In
practice, such levels of exposure are seldom encountered by the general public in the U.K. In the absence of clear evidence of a carcinogenic effect in adults, or of a plausible explanation from experiments on animals or isolated cells, the epidemiological evidence is currently not strong enough to justify a firm conclusion that such fields cause leukemia in children.”
There is also this abstract (PDF WARNING) published in '02 by the Australian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine. Again, no correspondence noted in this study.
The equipment and science of ghost hunting is built very heavily around magnetic fields and equipment which detects magnetic flux. I'm still wondering where all these free-floating charged particles are coming from and even if there are plenty in an open space... do you know the amount of energy it would take to bind these charged particles into an intelligent moving apparition?
A lot.
The use of EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomenon) and EVP recording devices is something I have to remain skeptical about as well. Granted, there are some pretty scary-tastic EVP recording available, given the science and foundation of ghost manifestations, the energy required for an entity of any kind to manfiest and manipulate physical particles to create the mechanical wave (known as SOUND) ... would probably fry the equipment in question.
The second issue I have with EVPs is that it's the equivalent of doing ink-blot tests for the ears. Pareidolia anyone? We're hardwired to look for familiarity and order in the abstract. It's part of what makes us human.
Now, there were episodes I found with video evidence that if it were true and unable to be debunked would be very true. As a hardnose I can't stake a claim unless I was actually there to witness or review the evidence with COMPLETE understanding of all conditions involved.
The second show I found was the Penn State Paranormal Research Society or simply, PRS.
I had a hard time liking PRS initially. I found it to be presented as generally 'fluffy.'
Here's an opening episodes of Paranormal State (PRS):
PRS initially rubbed me wrong for the following reasons:
1) The apparent lack of debunking
2) **The reliance on psychics and mediums (and demonologists) as consultants
3) The Christian invocations
The use of the word demon and the Chistian-centered attitude is what torqued me most. It makes an assumption that the afterlife is indeed based on a Christian based architecture and that Christians were somehow entitled to affect the dark and malevolent denizens of the underworld.
** 2) bothers me for the same reason that the paranormal investigation bothers me. I haven't met one that has just.knocked.my.socks.off. The day I meet a psychic that can cold read me to the floor I'll drink that kool-aid. Until then, I remain openly skeptic.
**Also, any time anything involves Lorraine Warren I immediately throw up the caution-flag.
There were things I did like about Paranormal State:
1) A 3 day investigation
2) The use of counselors and psychologists as consultants (though I wished they would have explained their departure from counseling about their paranormal experience to needing to move to DSMV-IV criteria for Paranoid/Schizophrenia)
3) An extreme sense of caring from the investigators about the clients' emotional states and well-being. The Leader of PRS really does give a damn.
I realized that this show was a three day investigation that had been edited down to about 35 minutes and hyped up by A&E. I wanted to give Paranormal State another chance.
I went a little further and read the blog of both Ryan Buell, the leader of PRS and the abandoned blog of psychic/medium Chip Coffey.
Ryan has a lot going for him. I hope the field of paranormal investigation doesn't burn him out and he can do a lot of good in the realm of codifying the ethical and technical practice of paranormal investigation.
Chip Coffey? Again, my vote isn't in yet on psychics/mediums, but I think everyone needs a Chip Coffey in their lives. I think he like Ryan, genuinely cares about people and their well-being. According to Ryan Buell's blog Coffey is a psychologist first, and psychic/medium second. The investigation is the primary focus.
Lastly, I found Psychic Kids. Another A&E produced show surrounding psychic children and issues families face with psychically gifted children. It's one part ghost hunter type show, one part psychic medium phenomenon show.
I have volumes of issues with this show. The primary issue I have is that in most of the cases presented the parents also believed that either during childhood or even now that they were empathic or sensatives. I don't think the nature of living vicariously or projecting was discussed. This is the inherent flaw in having believers investigate psychic or the paranorm without a check or balance.
As an example, the mother of the young girl (Morgan) in the presented episode above is also the founder of Indigrow. No doubt she's familiar with this.
The second problem was with cases presented was addressing whether or not the (usually) pre-teen or teen was experiencing asocial or social integration problems. Being a teenager is hard. Being a teenager whose mother/father is pushing you to become more unique and moar speshuler is even tougher. I do speak from experience here--- I may talk about this experience in a locked post later.
I hope I don't offend anyone. As I said, I consider myself an open skeptic.
I want to believe..
I'm not quite ready to drop everything and invest in a thermal imager, digital recorder and a SONY HI8...but then again, I am a man with an infinite amount of time on my hands.
The speaker will now relinquish the floor... your thoughts are truly welcome.
- Location:Studio Proper
- Mood:
awake


Comments
I do, obviously, believe in a whole load of shit otherwise I wouldn't be running a witchcraft business. I am obliged to think a lot about this, because here, one is constantly running into other people's belief systems and they are sometimes, um, challenging.
I would not be prepared to make any objective claims from my own experience. I think spiritual experience is of necessity mainly (not wholly, however) subjective. Tanya Luhrmann had some interesting things to say years ago about how witches viewed coincidence and synchronicity, weaving it into a magical viewpoint. That's a viewpoint which can bleed over into something unhealthy (the 'magical thinking' bemoaned by psychiatrists).
I run into a lot of people who subscribe to the Doreen Virtue categorisations - 'I feel different so I MUST be an alien walk in/an earth incarnated angel/a fairy being etc'. It's the equation - justified externally in a series of books - of feelings with facts. I find it hard to assess how much damage this does. Tribal societies often re-frame mental illnesses - the psychologically damaged are given a role as visionaries, for instance. Is that better or worse than banging someone up in an asylum?
My feelings are that it's all probably relatively harmless until it crosses the axis with actual psychological damage (unless you subscribe to the view that no one would take this kind of belief on board unless they were already nuts). I've had recent run-ins with people who don't just quietly believe they are, e.g., a reincarnated elemental - they expect respect (and in one case, I suspect, actual worship) and the sense of ego and entitlement is massive.
When I was a child, I was an over-sensitive, shy little girl who felt way out of step with the rest of the outside world (I got on well with my family), and subsequently an introverted teenager. This does not, to me, mean anything more than I was over-sensitive and shy, or that modern capitalism does in fact put a fair amount of pressure on people. I am very glad that my parents did not raise me to believe that I was in some way special. They made me feel special to them, certainly, but I was expected to behave with respect to other people.
Eventually I went to university, started teaching and the shyness had to go: shit gets kicked out of you throughout your life, if you're lucky. But I've had a reasonably successful life. I suppose if you haven't achieved all that much, you're still out of sync, and some author comes along and tells you that if you're so sensitive and empathic and can't sustain relationships it's because you're an Earth Angel, the temptation to believe must be considerable.
I was talking to someone about this tangentially last night and she said, 'yeah, I thought *I* was the Queen of the Fairies. I had wings and a wand and everything. When I was 5.' Quite so.
My mother became involved with a group that was heavy into channeling. They caught word that I could do automatic writing and channel classical and baroque period composers on the piano. They latched on to me pretty quickly.
When you're 9 and already ostracized because you have a genius IQ... you don't need a cult following to further make you speshul. You don't need the burden of a great destiny or even adults coming to you for spiritual guidance and advice. You really, really don't.
So my issues with the last show again, were personal. I didn't see anything wrong (again, assuming psychic/medium talent to be true) with what was being done. They were comforting parents, bringing families together with similar issues and most importantly resolving issues of fear and feelings of a loss of control for these kids and teens. A lot of good was done.
I just want my answers on the validity of psychic powers and paranormal phenomenon damnit. ;)
The Lady Druida from G-bury may come and hack up this LJ-space anytime. This CyberGrove is an open circle.
No, you don't. Krishnamurti would agree with you - someone I admire, BTW, for having the balls to stand up at 18 and say 'No, I won't be your Messiah.'
I didn't 'have the balls' necessarily to stand-up to these adults. They made me uncomfortable and in truth I kept watching them take money for their taped channeling sessions and video sessions and psychic art...and it rubbed me the wrong way.
I got lucky and my family moved to Iceland. My mother's psychic/new-age festivities dwindled down sessions and conversations with the next-door-neighbor lady (who was very heavy into Native American shaminism).
On a side note, I find the UK's laws fascinating in regards to the psychic and mediumistic community. Was it your blog that I came accross an article about a recent UK court decision regarding a professed psychic overcharging and bilking? The quote from the article that caught my attention was the court stating that (paraphrasing), "This (professed) psychic/medium was causing shame to the numerous and real psychic and medium professionals in the UK." That's a level of acknowledgement I doubt the US will come to anytime soon.
Like you (and Fox Mulder), I want to believe; I just need some concrete evidence. As I said in that post way back when: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
On the subject of the fear cage phenomenon: This idea that high EMF frequencies can cause discomfort, paranoia and anxiety isn't limited to the ghost hunting business. (Note: Though EMF appears to have been proven not to cause cancer, some studies--cited at the link below--suggest that there are people who are hypersensitive to high EMF and experience some discomfort in its presence.) There's some discussion in the UFO/alien abduction community that high EMF phenomena can provoke all sorts of physical responses, some of which might explain some of the sensations and experiences that "abductees" describe. MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) of Ohio has an article on the subject on their Web site, that includes a number of references (skip to the bottom for the references; some of the writing will make your eyes bleed), some of which are more credible than others but which might be worth taking a look at.
You might also want to take a look at the work of Dr. Michael Persinger at Laurentian University in Canada, who has done quite a bit of work on this idea of the effects of EMF exposure and/or geomagnetic activity creating paranoia or physical discomfort. He's had some interesting results, including being able to synthetically reproduce the near-death experience and some of the sensations associated with what's commonly described as alien abduction.
So yeah, I've spent far too much of my life reading up on this stuff. And given how uncomfortable I am with the idea of the restless dead and alien abduction, it's sort of remarkable that I can sleep at night.
Pssht, that's why I've got my coffee pot on and I'm watching episodes at 3a.m. :P
Haunted Seattle, I'm totally there next time I'm up in your neck of the 'hood.
Have you run across "A Haunting" on, I believe, the History Channel? It purports to recreate the stories of hauntings across the country. It doesn't try to debunk, and it often includes stories about hauntings that were ultimately investigated and "cleansed." Cases include everything from straight-out hauntings to poltergeists to possession. The shows often include interviews with the subjects of the retellings. It's eerie, fun stuff, good for provoking that ooky feeling, but I don't take it too seriously. Many of the cases were investigated by the Warrens, which always raises a red flag. But it's all diverting. Often the episodes are on in the middle of the day, so I only see it when I'm home from work for one reason or another.
Just more grist for the mill...
Haunted Tulsa?
What it comes down for me, though, is that I think that there's something out there. Is it paranormal? In terms of being out the ordinary, sure. Is it supernatural? I don't believe there is such a thing. If it exists, it is a natural phenomenon. We just don't understand what it is. Whether it's a remnant of an energy signature like a lingering smell to a dog (what I'm inclined to think) or echoes of someone in a parallel universe (always wanted to write a story about that), I don't know, but I think there's something out there.
With all that being said, I think the vast majority of "hauntings" out there are crap. I find it simultaneously annoying and amusing when shows come on talking about haunted houses in various places. Because in most cases, the person who's telling you about it "wants" it to be true, and so the story "becomes" the "facts." (That's where I think someone trained in psychology would be useful as a paranormal investigator). I also have real issues when they have a "psychic" as one of the main investigators -- not because I think they're necessarily bunk (a lot of them are, but I think that there's enough evidence of some extrasensory abilities to give them some credence) -- rather I think that most psychic investigators, whether real psychics or not, tend to suffer from the same desire to find something that causes the issue I mentioned above.
TAPS does seem to be pretty good about that for the most part -- not much to do with psychics, and they're trying to use demonstrable means of measuring it. Reading your post earlier got me watching Ghost Hunters tonight and there was an episode where they saw something through a glass door -- got it on film, and there was clearly something there, but they didn't accept it as firm evidence because they couldn't verify that there wasn't something (or someone) on the other side of the door making the shadow. On the other hand, there was another episode where they had someone trying to find evidence using dowsing rods. Now I believe in dowsing rods, and I've used them -- for finding water. And assuming that they work off of electromagnetic energy of some sort, I suppose they might be used for ghost hunting. But unlike EMF or EVP measurements/recordings, they are so widely open to interpretation as to be useless. I wasn't so impressed with that episode.
I'm sorry that I've gone on so long -- you got me going with the post and since I couldn't respond at length while at work, I end up responding now ad infinitum, ad nauseum. What it comes down to now is really that I think there are explanations for everything (even if those explanations are what we think of as ghosts), but sometimes science as we currently understand it simply isn't necessarily up to making those explanations yet.
On psychics: there were a few episodes of Paranormal State that if Chip Coffey the medium was presented truthfully then he has an above average uncanniness factor. I'd have to meet him in person of course...
...I've met highly intuitive and highly sensitive people...but without a controlled testing environment I couldn't/wouldn't claim I've met someone who is psychic.
The science and technology that is currently being used in paranormal investigations is in its infancy by far. The science itself is --- well, very assumptive at best, and the tech is based off those assumptions.
They're not bad assumptions in my opinion---they just operate within "known" laws of physics which may/may not apply in the afterlife.
Yanno.